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ArtByAlida
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I have a friend who dropped and broke one of those CFL bulbs near her cat. Her cat went into kidney failure. She also had never read the directions that come with them on how to clean them up if you break one, so she did it all the WRONG way.
And really. I don't know ONE person who is taking them to the hazardous recycling center. They are just throwing them away in their garbage, where they can break and hurt animals which may encounter them.
These bulbs are just "green washing".
LEDs don't contain mercury.
A new type of bulb will also replace the CFL in the future.
I can't believe they put more mercury into people's homes with these things.
I won't buy them.
Ever. |
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Bro. Grimm
sat nov 21 2009
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I have been telling people for a while about these bulbs and the haz-mat issue. Everyone has told me they are going STRAIGHT into the trash like the old bulbs when they burn out. As for the "carbon footprint" being reduced, how much of a footprint is made to get these to the store. Look at the boxes in the store. Last I checked, ALL the bulbs come from China. I'm sure the boxes are printed with lead based paint also. |
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Strawberry Burns
sun nov 22 2009
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Wow! I had NO CLUE these bulbs were hazardous! NONE! I've been throwing them in the trash too! Guess I won't be buying them anymore! |
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ArtByAlida
sun nov 22 2009
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I have been telling people for a long time.
But, Wal-Mart has done a huge marketing campaign saying they are going to sell millions of them to help the environment.
It's been HUGE marketing campaign.
Sort of like a propaganda campaign.
Some people like to think that doing one good thing for the greenhouse gas problem, that it's okay to cause another environmental problem.
We don't need more mercury in anyone's homes.
They should have invented another type of bulb before they put this on the market.
The U.S. Department of Energy has offered a ten million dollar prize to someone who can come up with a better bulb.
Now, why didn't they offer something like that BEFORE marketing the CFL?
I want to post a link, but can't, so here's some info from a New York Times article dated Sept. 24, 2009 entitled : "Is This The Lightbulb of the Future?"
Philips, the Dutch electronics giant whose products range from clothes irons to medical equipment to light bulbs, believes that it’s about to become $10 million richer.
That’s the value of a prize the company thinks it will win with its entry in the L Prize, a U.S. Department of Energy contest to create a viable LED-based alternative to a 60-watt light bulb.
Philips announced today that it is the first company to submit an entry in the contest. The company has first-mover advantage, because if their lamp is shown to meet the rules, then Philips wins, even if another company e |
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Rob Beanz #162341
sun nov 22 2009
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Look Out!
The grim reaper is all around us in every shape form and fashion, theres no excaping it.....
....and its even worse when its Man Made!
Must be another government conspiracy.
Happy JFK Day :)~ |
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ArtByAlida
sun nov 22 2009
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Lol...it's no government conspiracy.
It's called "green washing".
And in our society, it's called "greed" before "green".
Just because a product or company markets themselves or their products as "green", you still can't believe it.
Because really, there is no ethics in business.
Happy JFK day?
I didn't know there was a JFK day. |
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CoffeeGuy
sun nov 22 2009
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Are you this incensed about the trillions of 4 foot fluorescent tubes (with mercury) that have been commonly used for decades in every office and institution on the planet? |
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J.S. Holland
sun nov 22 2009
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Yes, CoffeeGuy, I am. My concern over a new form of spreading a toxin isn't diminished by knowing that there have been previous, prevalent, and equally toxic methods. Fluorescent lights, previously found mainly in office buildings, are now being put in the homes and hands of millions of citizens who were never instructed how to properly deal with them. It's one thing for paid office-building maintenance men to have to handle these things, but quite another thing for the average irresponsible everyman. |
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Strawberry Burns
sun nov 22 2009
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I've seen fluorescent tubes used in movie stunts, kids using them to break on one another, etc. I never thought a thing about it until now. |
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cadejo7
sun nov 22 2009
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$20 of savings in energy use for every house hold in any system is also a great reduction in the carbon footprint. We are all personally responsible for trying to heal the damage that has been done thus far to the earth. I live in a small village in Alaska where there are three giant diesel motor generators that supply the electricity for the town of 5oo souls. Our price for electricity is .50 KWH, so any way of reducing our electical use helps our pocket books greatly as well as not having made the powerplant burn more fuel. LED's are better and I'm waiting for them to become cheaper as the CFL bulbs did. |
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ArtByAlida
sun nov 22 2009
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As long as you are aware, and dispose of them properly, they are better than the average lightbulb.
But, if you aren't going to go to the trouble of taking them to a hazardous waste site and not throw them in your garbage, where the fumes could affect a child or pet or anyone, then that's your choice.
But, most people have no clue and most people will not dispose of them properly.
I was ignorant of flourescent bulbs myself, but I would buy the highly expensive ones which last years and replicate sunlight.
But, even then I didn't know throwing them in my trash could make my trash men sick possible.
Just imagine how much mercury a day our trash haulers could be exposed to and how many of those bulbs will end up thrown into the ocean?
New Jersey is hauling their trash to Pennsylvania landfills.
They have run out of room. |
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Sir Jude
sun nov 22 2009
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This is very eye-opening. Not only regarding light bulbs, but for environmental issues as a whole. |
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GtownGuy
sun nov 22 2009
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I received my 4 made-in-China CFL bulbs in the mail yesterday. The postman left the box on the stone coping of my porch, with a 4 1/2 to 5 foot drop to the concrete sidewalk below. Whew! -glad the box didn't fall off the edge. Gosh, no matter how "packaged" for disposal with household trash, these boogers are gonna be CRUSHED by the compactor in the garbage trucks every few yards, spewing their toxins to the workers & the neighborhood. I turned the flyer over & over when I received the "free" offer in the mail, trying to find the "catch," like signing up for type of conservation program. I couldn't find any. I think I will try using these bulbs - very carefully, since I can't just toss them out. After all, I live in an asbestos-sided house. |
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GtownGuy
sun nov 22 2009
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Re: JFK Day. For you youngsters, today (11/22) is the 46th anniv. of Pres. JFK's assassination. Nothing "happy" about it. |
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Jorge Pancho
mon nov 23 2009
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Great piece. Thoughtful discussion. Bring on the LED's! |
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CoffeeGuy
mon nov 23 2009
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We played with a ball of liquid mercury in science class when I was in Jr. High school. It didn't affec, affec, affect me at all. the odds of a broken bulb affecting the health of a human is slim to none. Much less worrisome than letting your kid skateboard without a helmet. The effect on the environment is negligible in relation to the amount of mercury and other heavy metals dumped into the environment by industry. It's 'an' issue, but it's not something I will lose sleep over. Having a trigger happy man in the Whitehouse for the previous eight years took way more toll on my nerves than fluroescent light bulbs. |
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CoffeeGuy
mon nov 23 2009
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As an aside, I absolutely HATE the quality of light from fluorescent and LED bulbs. There is research on the effect on eyestrain from the almost imperceptible, but present flickering (not present in incandescent bulbs) and the fake color perceived after the brain analyzes the spectrum and tries to make it look 'white'. |
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CoffeeGuy
mon nov 23 2009
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In reference to this comment made by J.S. Holland-"Fluorescent lights, previously found mainly in office buildings, are now being put in the homes and hands of millions of citizens who were never instructed how to properly deal with them. It's one thing for paid office-building maintenance men to have to handle these things, but quite another thing for the average irresponsible everyman."
Do you have any idea how paid office maintenence men dispose of fluorescent tubes? They smash them in the dumpster out back. If you have any misconception that maintenence men are trained in fluorescent tube disposal, it might be worth your while to do a little survey of local office maintenence men. |
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ArtByAlida
mon nov 23 2009
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Tell all that to my friend's cat who got sick when one of the CFL bulbs broke and made it sick.
Dupont denied for years that a burning teflon pan would do no harm, yet when another one of my friends burned a pan of macaroni and cheese, the smoke from the teflon pan killed her cockatiels...both parents and a chick, all at one time.
CFL's are hazardous.
Just please dispose of them in the right way.
Consumers seem to think just because a product is on the market, it's safe and okay for the environment.
That's one of the problems in our society today. |
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J.S. Holland
mon nov 23 2009
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Anyone who thinks inhaling mercury dust (which is what the issue is about) is no big deal is welcome to go on thinking so. For the rest of us, including the EPA, it's a no-brainer. |
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James Hickman #313503
mon nov 23 2009
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CFLs use significantly less energy than traditional light bulbs (75% less). If every home in America replaced just one incandescent light bulb with an ENERGY STAR qualified CFL, we would save enough energy to light more than 3 million homes and prevent greenhouse gas emissions equivalent to that of 800,000 cars. And even though CFLs contain a small amount of mercury that could ultimately end up in the environment, that amount is significantly less than the amount of mercury avoided as a result of the energy savings |
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Rob Beanz #162341
mon nov 23 2009
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No matter how one looks at it, and cry all the tears they may, the PEOPLE that can NOT cook Mac & Cheese are at fault!
And trust, there is more than Mercury and teflon to worry about in those shallow little worlds! Read the ingredients of precious hand lotions and shampoos and oh my, what about that tap water!
Dont put a comment application on these blogs if one cant take the truth or better yet the facts! |
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ArtByAlida
mon nov 23 2009
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For your information, I don't use anything on my body but aloe vera gel and organic lotions...BECAUSE of all the chemicals in them.
If you can put a nicotine patch on and get nicotine, then it's a no brainer that anything you put on your skin goes into your body.
And personally, with all the people that get breast cancer, and other diseases, I choose not to use chemicals on my body. |
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ArtByAlida
mon nov 23 2009
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P.S. And I use a Brita water pitcher.
If I don't use it for my goldfish, they die. |
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chuck
mon nov 23 2009
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The amount of mercury in these bulbs is nothing compared to what is spewed into our air by all of our coal plants.
As someone said, this is a concern, but it's hardly a show stopper. The energy and cost savings are substantial. Seems like the simple thing to do is to locate a recycling center for these types of bulbs and hold on for five or seven years until LED's become inexpensive enough to use everywhere.
Incandescent bulbs are being phased out starting in 2012, and good riddance to them. They're highly energy inefficient and they don't last but for a few months, compared to years for a CFL.
I've replaced 90% of the bulbs in our house with CFL's. There is an adjustment that has to be made with them (i.e the warm up time) but it's simple enough. I haven't been able to find reasonably priced dimmable CFLs or I'd have them all replaced. Using colored lamp shades helps quite a bit with the color and spectrum issues too.
Best,
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ArtByAlida
mon nov 23 2009
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You are right about the mercury from coal plants.
Just don't break one of those bulbs near an animals or a small child.
I am not kidding when I say my friend's cat went into kidney failure and until I told her about the bulb's toxicity, she had no clue what made it sick.
And what if autism was caused by all the mercury in our environment?
Would you want to be responsible for adding any more to it?
I'll wait for the new bulbs.
I am getting a new LED floor lamp also. |
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chuck
mon nov 23 2009
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How do you know the cat died due to a broken bulb? We had a cat die of heart and kidney failure and it wasn't exposed to a broken CFL.
It seems like a bit of a stretch to say that was the cause without some science backing it up. |
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ArtByAlida
mon nov 23 2009
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The cat went into kidney failure right after she broke the bulb near it. Kidney failure is a symptom of mercury poisoning.
The bulb broke right by it.
It got sick that day.
It survived but now has problems because of it. |
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J.S. Holland
mon nov 23 2009
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Bulbs, schmulbs. Me, I prefer candles.
http://revelationawaitsanappointedtime.blogspot.com/2009/09/candlepower.html |
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GtownGuy
mon nov 23 2009
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I remember buying a clutzy CFL bulb (it promised substantial energy-use savings) in the late '80s or very, very early '90s. Had to use a kind of adaptor base in the regular lamp socket. This "conversion" was expensive. And - gosh durn - that sucker burned out in way less than a year. --And was only used briefly, 5 days a week at most, in a small lamp on a bedroom dresser.
But I seldom replace incandescent bulbs, even though I have these tremendous old stockpiles from past sale events. Not even annually, except for my 2-bulb overhead kitchen fixture which seems to need at least a yearly feeding. 'Course LG&E rate hikes changed my habits so that I actually use less lighting than I did, say, 20 years ago. |
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Donnie Brasco
mon nov 23 2009
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we are all doomed! I think we should protest Jack Daniels more harmful for my liver than a light bulb. |
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ArtByAlida
mon nov 23 2009
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hmm, it depends on where they get their spring water, lol.
But, I think they filter it pretty good, but it's not as good as Kentucky bourbon. |
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CoffeeGuy
tue nov 24 2009
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According to energystar.gov-
"Do CFLs contain mercury?
CFLs contain a very small amount of mercury sealed within the glass tubing – an average of 4 milligrams. By comparison, older thermometers contain about 500 milligrams of mercury – an amount equal to the mercury in 125 CFLs." |
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CoffeeGuy
tue nov 24 2009
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according to energystar.gov--
"EPA estimates the U.S. is responsible for the release of 104 metric tons of mercury emissions each year. Most of these emissions come from coal-fired electrical power. Mercury released into the air is the main way that mercury gets into water and bio-accumulates in fish." |
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CoffeeGuy
tue nov 24 2009
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According to energystar.gov--
"How do CFLs result in less mercury in the environment compared to traditional light bulbs?
Electricity use is the main source of mercury emissions in the U.S. CFLs use less electricity than incandescent lights, meaning CFLs reduce the amount of mercury into the environment." |
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CoffeeGuy
tue nov 24 2009
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Anyone get flu shots this year? Did you make sure your children got immunized? There's about 25mcg of mercury in every shot. Directly into your body. Some of the vaccines are mercury free. |
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chuck
tue nov 24 2009
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Coffeeguy,
Thank you for clearing this up!
Best,
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J.S. Holland
tue nov 24 2009
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Far from "clearing it up", pointing out that there's lots of mercury in other places is irrelevant to the point. These are non-sequiturs. |
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ArtByAlida
tue nov 24 2009
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And what about mercury buildup over time?
What about the exploding increase in autism and ADHD.
They lowered the amounts of mercury in vaccines.
Here is some information from a chemistry prof at U.K.
http://health.consumercide.com/mercury-asd-adhd.html
The fact is that we need to get mercury out of our environment.
Not add more to the amount people are exposed to in their homes.
And it's still a fact that people are not going to take them to hazardous waste sites for recycling.
My thought is that every store who sells them should also be responsible for recycling them. People can take them back to the stores where they bought them.
We need to find a solution for this problem of them ending up in the trash. |
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chuck
tue nov 24 2009
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I thought CoffeGuy's quote from energystar.gov cleared up this issue:
"How do CFLs result in less mercury in the environment compared to traditional light bulbs?
Electricity use is the main source of mercury emissions in the U.S. CFLs use less electricity than incandescent lights, meaning CFLs reduce the amount of mercury into the environment."
CFL's use leads to less mercury in our air, and therefore, less mercury inside of you. Now granted, that's no reason to NOT dispose of them properly, but it's certainly a good argument to use them.
Best,
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ArtByAlida
tue nov 24 2009
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You take mercury out of one place and just want to spread it somewhere else?
Read the real facts about the amount of mercury and it's affect when you want to multiply that 380 million times.
Here is a quote from their blog:
One single CFL, when broken, produces an air concentration of mercury roughly equivalent to the level that is known to cause neurological effects in adults.
http://www.safeminds.org/
Cheers.... |
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CoffeeGuy
tue nov 24 2009
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Personally, I think it is wise to stay away from heavy metals, but while we're worried about heavy metals, there are a number of much more serious threats to humanity. Of course we need to deal with them individually, but the cure is going to be worse than the illness. Anyone ever consider eliminating plastics from the environment and from usage in literally everything? Although it is kept hush hush, the chemicals leeched from plastics are probably the most toxic thing most of us will ever encounter. That includes so called 'food safe' plastics. Anyone concerned with cooking your brain with a cell phone? Maybe it doesn't cause cancer. Maybe it just makes us more irritable or less functional. There's no way you can microwave your brain day in and day out without detrimental effects. Have a nice day. |
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ArtByAlida
tue nov 24 2009
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You are correct.
Plastic is toxic..but it's ingrained so much into our society as is the production of aluminum, etc.
However, we don't need to keep ADDING more products into our homes which are toxic, do ya think? |
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CoffeeGuy
wed nov 25 2009
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I am using eight CFL bulbs in my home. Six are in outside light fixtures because they don't crack when water drips on them and they don't burn out as fast as incandescent bulbs. Two are in security lamps on timers that come on and stay on for long periods of time, and again, the bulbs don't burn out hardly ever. I hate the light they produce, and I am not happy that they contain mercury. For me, it's a balance of what works and what doesn't. I don't think it's anything to get too worked up about. I'll save that for something else. |
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Sherry Deatrick
wed nov 25 2009
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Compact fluorescent light bulbs can release dangerous amounts of mercury into the air when they break and must be disposed of very carefully, according to a report by the state of Maine. Read more at http://www.naturalnews.com/024014.html |
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ArtByAlida
wed nov 25 2009
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I don't like Natural News that much, however, but I do agree. |
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kn872
wed nov 25 2009
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A good friend of mine, Jennifer Monroe, who's stationed at Ft. Hood and her Sargent husband is in Afghanistan right now, says the military uses only CFL's and wraps all the burnouts in a regular trash bag just like everybody else. If you're a clutz then don't handle them and LGE recommends saving all the bad ones to Home depot. All of my 20+ lights are CFL. |
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ArtByAlida
wed nov 25 2009
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Hey, just because the military is exposing their staff to potential hazards, doesn't mean it's the best operating procedure, lol...
The military is not good for suggesting new and safer operating procedures.
My condolences to your friend who must bag them everyday.
I would suggest a mercury level testing.
Happy Holiday. |
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Sherry Deatrick
wed nov 25 2009
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The military also brought Agent Orange and Depleted Uranium to its troops. |
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ArtByAlida
wed nov 25 2009
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And people are still being exposed to depleted uranium..... so what difference does a little mercury make, right?
I am all for progress, but the CFL doesn't seem like a great deal of progress to me. |
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kn872
wed nov 25 2009
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I've never worred about it but thanks for the info. Nothing we say is gonna matter to coporate so we adapt for a good life. Happy Thanksgiving :). |
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Kool Jerk
fri nov 27 2009
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LED bulbs need to become more common with a low price. Right now most LED bulbs are being sold on eBay. LED bulbs are already plentiful, just not here. |
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GrammarPolice
wed dec 02 2009
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I love killing the environment. |
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